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		<title>By: T. Boyd</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Note: Jim Bausch found the patent, etc.,  http://tinyurl.com/yjhped3 and I read up on it and related topics.  I am very skeptical about the underlying theory.  For example, the &quot;spin&quot; of nucleons and other elementary particles, is not a mechanical spin at all (at least that is what I remember from quantum theory studies).  It is a model that tries to make sense of the magnetic moment of these particles (see this &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/66pjc4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article&lt;/a&gt; ).  And isospin is just another quantum number not even related to magnetic effects.

About the patent: I road the train to D.C. for 10 years, and made friends with one of the patent office readers/judges, or whatever he was called.  He told me they try to make sure an application is original and doesn&#039;t infringe on another patent, and they try to eliminate fraud.  However, the client does not have to demonstrate that it works. So gaining a patent on an idea doesn&#039;t really support the idea&#039;s validity.

In this experiment by Wallace (the patent holder) and others like that, it would be very difficult to prove that something else, like air currents or mechanical vibration in the setup, was not the cause of the rotation of the disk initially at rest.

I also discussed with Jim Bausch in separate communication that the DoD does not let these ideas die w/o investigation.  For example, while working at the Naval Research Lab from &#039;96 - &#039;07, I followed the group there that was, and still is, very active in cold fusion research.  And there is no secret that they are doing so - they &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/ydlamoy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; publish&lt;/a&gt; the results openly.  

So I think that anti-gravity research also would be treated similarly.  Even if it were to be classified, and if the experiments mentioned above would prove to be valid, I think word would leak out (or will eventually) and we would know about it.  

Just my opinion which definitely could be wrong. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note: Jim Bausch found the patent, etc.,  <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yjhped3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yjhped3</a> and I read up on it and related topics.  I am very skeptical about the underlying theory.  For example, the &#8220;spin&#8221; of nucleons and other elementary particles, is not a mechanical spin at all (at least that is what I remember from quantum theory studies).  It is a model that tries to make sense of the magnetic moment of these particles (see this <a href="http://tinyurl.com/66pjc4" rel="nofollow">article</a> ).  And isospin is just another quantum number not even related to magnetic effects.</p>
<p>About the patent: I road the train to D.C. for 10 years, and made friends with one of the patent office readers/judges, or whatever he was called.  He told me they try to make sure an application is original and doesn&#8217;t infringe on another patent, and they try to eliminate fraud.  However, the client does not have to demonstrate that it works. So gaining a patent on an idea doesn&#8217;t really support the idea&#8217;s validity.</p>
<p>In this experiment by Wallace (the patent holder) and others like that, it would be very difficult to prove that something else, like air currents or mechanical vibration in the setup, was not the cause of the rotation of the disk initially at rest.</p>
<p>I also discussed with Jim Bausch in separate communication that the DoD does not let these ideas die w/o investigation.  For example, while working at the Naval Research Lab from &#8217;96 &#8211; &#8217;07, I followed the group there that was, and still is, very active in cold fusion research.  And there is no secret that they are doing so &#8211; they <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ydlamoy" rel="nofollow"> publish</a> the results openly.  </p>
<p>So I think that anti-gravity research also would be treated similarly.  Even if it were to be classified, and if the experiments mentioned above would prove to be valid, I think word would leak out (or will eventually) and we would know about it.  </p>
<p>Just my opinion which definitely could be wrong. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: T. Boyd</title>
		<link>http://brightmysteries.net/2009/07/14/protons-neutrons-and-such/#comment-89</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Still looking this up.  When in grad. school, I heard a paper describing trying to determine if anti-electrons go up or down because of gravity.  It was a very difficult experiment (Ph.D. research at Stanford U., I think).  They were trying to contain a cloud of anti-electrons inside a vacuum chamber and measuring their drift characteristics.  

I don&#039;t the results were conclusive.  Something about the e-image in the walls also drifting to counteract the effect.

No one knows if anti-particles are also anti-gravity or not, as far as I know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still looking this up.  When in grad. school, I heard a paper describing trying to determine if anti-electrons go up or down because of gravity.  It was a very difficult experiment (Ph.D. research at Stanford U., I think).  They were trying to contain a cloud of anti-electrons inside a vacuum chamber and measuring their drift characteristics.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t the results were conclusive.  Something about the e-image in the walls also drifting to counteract the effect.</p>
<p>No one knows if anti-particles are also anti-gravity or not, as far as I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bausch</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boyd,

I&#039;ve heard of an experiment that might be classified as a manifestation of a separate force. (negative gravity)

Two disks, each made of lead, are concentrically positioned very close to each other. When one of the disks is accelerated rotationally, the close disk will rotate in the opposite direction. I was told that the phenomena was predicted by Einstein. Have you heard of this experiment? Jim]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boyd,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard of an experiment that might be classified as a manifestation of a separate force. (negative gravity)</p>
<p>Two disks, each made of lead, are concentrically positioned very close to each other. When one of the disks is accelerated rotationally, the close disk will rotate in the opposite direction. I was told that the phenomena was predicted by Einstein. Have you heard of this experiment? Jim</p>
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